Frequently Asked Questions

Frequently Asked Questions

  • Why is pet insurance a requirement of adoption and required in order to maintain your guarantee?

    Having pet insurance is a requirement of adoption and in maintaining our health guarantee. As reputable breeders, we go to great lengths and expense, to maximize our puppies/dog’s health and to promote their longevity. In order to facilitate this, we frequently import high quality dogs, health test (indeed, we’re running the largest DNA genetic health testing panel in the world to date) and provide high quality food and supplements to our dogs.

    Thus, our efforts to produce healthy puppies starts well before breeding/conception and lasts through gestation, after birth, raising puppies until they’re ready to go to their new homes and supporting our puppy parents after adoption, for the duration of their puppies’ life.

    As reputable breeders, we feel it’s our responsibility to start our puppies out on the best possible path and to establish healthy habits (food, supplements, health insurance) for our puppy parents to follow, that will maximize their puppies’ health and longevity. We do our maximum to produce healthy puppies and we expect our puppy parents to do the same; to do their maximum to maintain and promote their puppies’ health, throughout their lifetime.

    We think it’s a reasonable expectation for our puppy parents to have pet insurance for their puppy/dog during the first year of their puppies/dog’s life, as indeed it’s the most critical year of their life. During the first year of life, puppies have the physical, emotional and mental stress of going to a new home, learning about their environment, rules and training, vaccinations, spaying/neutering and it’s a period of significant growth and development.

    Our guarantee is a genetic guarantee only and does not cover the costs of regular health care, accidents, injuries, or contracted illnesses. Even the healthiest, most health tested dog in the world is not impervious to cancer, accidents, illnesses and to the environment and world we live in today. Genetic testing/tests are not a 100% guarantee that your dog will never become ill, or will be 100% healthy throughout their entire life. Rather, genetic testing is a probability of health/susceptibility to disease/illness and the environment (and how the puppy/dog is raised) determines the expression of those genes/genetics. Therefore, a breeder/genetics are not 100% responsible for health or illness, nor are they the sole to blame for health issues down the road.

    The cost of Veterinary care has increased significantly in recent years and it’s not uncommon for certain procedures or treatment to cost up to $8000 or more. Does the cost sound high, or hard to believe? One of our puppies inhaled a kibble and it got lodged in his lung and he ended up at a specialized Veterinary clinic on life support and if it wasn’t for his puppy parents having health insurance (the 6 weeks free health insurance we start our puppies on), it would have cost them over $8000! Or one of our other puppies who contracted viral Meningoencephalitis, requiring costly MRIs, spinal taps and treatment to save his life.

    It’s not a question of whether our puppy parents would spend $8000 (I think as puppy parents we all would) to save their dog’s life, it’s a matter of whether they could. Times, economy and life circumstances change and having health insurance ensures that our puppy parents will do everything within their power (and have the means) to provide optimal health care, treatment methods and lifesaving procedures, in favor of euthanasia.

    It is our sincere hope that puppy parents will continue health insurance (and our feeding and supplementation recommendations) well past the guarantee period, but unfortunately, genetic health testing, placing our puppies in excellent homes and lifetime breeder support aside, once puppies leave us, we have little to no control over how our puppies are raised, fed, or the environment in which they live.

    We’re breeders and not insurance brokers and other than the peace of mind in knowing that our puppies’ health and welfare are safeguarded, we do not benefit financially whatsoever, when our puppy parent’s buy pet insurance. We do not stipulate which company our puppy parents must use, nor the coverage they must carry. We simply want to know that our puppy parents have the means to provide optimal, specialized health care, if necessary, that would make the difference between life and death.

    On a personal note, I can’t tell you how horrific and devastating it is to receive a call/message from a puppy parent that their puppy has had an accident and has been injured and that they won’t return the dog and also do not have the funds to get their dog the medical treatment they require. As animal lovers, pet owners, reputable breeders and human beings, with this situation a possibility, in good conscience, how could we possibly continue to breed, produce puppies and be able sleep at night???

  • Why do you require puppy parents to supplement with NuVet?

    Most experts agree that today, the nutrients in our food are being impaired by soil depletion, poor soil quality and pesticides. Many experts agree that because of this, it’s not possible to get all of the nutrients we require, from our food and that supplementation is necessary in order to receive adequate nutrients and nutrition.

    To exacerbate this problem, when our food is cooked, nutrients are further depleted from our food. While in theory, eating raw food is ideal (which is fine for fruits and vegetables!), in order to maximize nutrition, but when it comes to meat, most experts would agree that there are health risks (bacteria, illness, etc.) to eating raw meat.

    Many advocates of eating/feeding raw (human and pets alike) promote the soaking of raw meat in bleach or peroxide prior to eating, which in itself, could be problematic with regards to ingestion. Not to mention, that not every person/breed of dog has the enzymes to digest raw meat. At any rate, raw feeding is a conversation for another time...

    Dog food is made from the same food sources as human food and it too (no matter the quality), loses nutrients when the food is baked/made. This is why we feed and recommend NuVet to our dogs and puppies and require our puppy parents to continue to give our puppies NuVet for at least the first year of life.

    Bostons in particular (and other brachycephalic breeds), have a raised need for pre and probiotics added to their diet and NuVet helps to support this need.

    As a dog breeder, our puppies/dog’s health is our top priority. Hundreds of thousands of dogs and cats are using NuVet to support their immune system and provide optimal health. A strong immune system will protect them from environmental and food toxins such as back yard pesticides, hormones, germs from public places, and even toxic formaldehyde in furniture and carpeting.

    This is not just a vitamin. It’s an immune system builder with a precise balance of vitamins, minerals, omega fatty acids, amino acids and high-potency antioxidants. That’s why it works so well through all three stages of a dog’s life.

    • For puppies - Fills the immunity gap all puppies experience. Shortly after birth, maternal antibody effectiveness is greatly reduced. By 8 weeks your puppy’s immune system is at a vulnerable point. Once in their new home, the immune system is weakened by the stress of adoption and exposure to novel bacteria and viruses in their environment. This is also when the vaccine series is started. Vaccines are most effective if the immune system can respond properly. Starting NuVet Plus now is important to helping your puppy grow into a healthy adult.

    • For dogs in their prime - Improves the luster of their skin and coat while providing the necessary antioxidants, amino acids, vitamins, mineral and more to sustain their body’s peak performance during the prime of their lives.

    • For older dogs - Helps provide the nutritional requirements to help them live long, happy, and productive lives in their senior years.

    *NuVet is not available in stores, and is only available to the general public with an order code from an authorized pet professional*

  • Why are your puppies/dogs more expensive than other Boston breeders?

    We have the most health tested Boston Terriers in Canada and most of the world over. Our dogs are from Champion bloodlines from around the world and we import regularly (a plane ticket from Europe to Canada is approximately $1500 and up for the flight alone, PLUS all the extra costs; veterinary, cargo fees, taxes, etc. in ADDITION to the purchase price) to promote genetic variability in our lines. We also show our dogs when time allows, however (in our experience), regular importing costs MUCH more than earning a Championship title on a dog. Indeed, we have finished many dogs over a weekend (with a good entry of dogs - more dogs, more points awarded). The cost of c-sections in our area is also quite high, comparatively. Our prices are reflective of the costs involved to operate a high quality breeding program and maintain our high standards. That being said, any breeder will tell you that while it seems that we're all "getting rich", what we charge is never enough and when you love and care about your dogs (i.e. they all get optimal health care, etc.), the "income" never covers all of our expenses. I don't know ANY breeder whom is wealthy from breeding dogs! At the end of the day, our dogs cost more because of the level of health testing (and importing) we do. To put it plainly (and excuse my candor), if a puppy parent/buyer doesn't value these things, then it's their prerogative to decide where and how they spend their money and to choose a breeder whom does less or no health testing. Everyone/all parties must do what they feel comfortable with and we we choose to run our program the way we're running it.

  • How do you do what you do? How do you part with your puppies?

    Just because we do it, doesn't mean it's easy! I will be honest and say that it always bothers me when people imply that we/breeders must not care, as they say that they couldn't possibly do what we do (and part with the puppies), as it would break their heart, as they would care too much. Without going into too much detail, after having worked at Vets and an Animal Shelter and having seen the tragic cases, adopting puppies out to loving homes is nothing compared to that (without these previous experiences, I could not breed and adopt out our puppies). Plus, we also started with several dogs that came to us as adults (that had been bred before) to help "ease" us into breeding. When it came time to their retirement, we were sad, but we were happy for them that they got to retire in a stellar home, as an only or one of a couple dogs. If we had started with several puppies and raised them to adulthood ourselves, we'd quickly be out of breeding, as we wouldn't have been able to start a breeding program and continue on (as we wouldn't be able to part with them)! Indeed our original dogs (our foundation) stayed in our family. In comparison to the tragic cases that I used to see come into the shelter or Vet, what we do is very satisfying and positive and I usually get to know prospective puppy parents very well over the course of the waiting period (being on the waiting list) and the two months of pictures and updates. It certainly helps “ease” my mind having the expectations, screenings and policies that we do. If we're not comfortable with a particular owner and we feel that they won't provide a good home for one of our puppies/dogs, we do not adopt our puppies/dogs out to them. It's never easy however and yes, we do cry from time to time when they leave us. As for parting with adults, we live in denial that we will ever have to do that and do not focus on that - otherwise, it'd be too hard. We tell ourselves that they're staying, unless for some reason, they're not “fitting in” with the ever evolving "pack". In this case, we are acting in their best interest to place them in a home where it's a better situation for them. To part with an adult dog, a breeder has to be selfless and DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE DOG. If a home cannot provide at LEAST the same amount of care and quality home as they are accustomed to, then we don't let them go. We do what's in our dogs' best interests. Of course, we will always have dogs that will stay here for the duration of their life, but unfortunately, to be fair to them all and provide the proper care and attention, we cannot keep them all. "Animal hoarding" is never appropriate or okay!

  • Why do you import dogs when there are breeders in Canada?

    As per our About Us page, we breed for health, so we do not in-breed or closely line-breed (indeed we have bloodlines from around the world). Thus, we work with breeders who have a similar focus on health and we go however far is necessary to facilitate our goals. In addition, we like the way FCI Kennel Clubs and dog shows are run and we appreciate the health and performance restrictions/requirements some clubs have (in order to register puppies/dogs), in order to maintain the integrity and quality of breed bloodlines.

  • Does it really matter whether one buys a dog from a breeder who shows?

    If you want a dog representative of their breed and bred to standard, than generally, yes. If you go to a breeder who shows their dogs, the chances are greater that the breeders' dogs are within breed standard and that you will be getting a dog representative of its breed. Further, if the breeder shows, they are more likely to be breeding (to the standard) to improve the breed and not just breeding for money. Showing dogs is expensive!

  • Does it really matter whether one buys a dog from a CKC Registered breeder/kennel or not?

    Generally, yes! There are rules, regulations and ethics a breeder has to follow in order to be a member and remain a member in good standing with the CKC. A non-member is not bound by the same rules, regulations and ethics and a prospective owner has “power” in dealing with a breeder if unfortunately there should be problems or issues that need to be dealt with (e.g. receiving their registration papers, etc). Also, chances are greater - if you adopt from a registered breeder (as opposed to a non-registered breeder), that they are passionate and dedicated to the improvement and preservation of their breed and not just breeding to sell puppies. If a breeder breeds registered dogs and is NOT a CKC member, one must question why, as the CKC offers significant discounts on registrations, etc. to its members.

  • For what purpose do you breed your dogs? what is your motivation or philosophy as a breeder?

    The only good reason to breed is to improve the breed! Period. In order to do this, we try to keep back a puppy from every litter (as every litter was planned for a particular purpose), or forfeit pick puppy to friends/associates in order to make a contribution to the betterment of the breed. We're breeding for the “total dog” and feel that being a good show dog and being a healthy and good breeder, shouldn't be mutually exclusive. We feel that a dog should be all these things with an excellent temperament to boot. Please see our About Us page for more information.

  • Are you a member of the Canadian Kennel Club (CKC), or any other breed clubs? Do you have experience with dogs?

    We are members in good standing (since 2004) with the Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) and the Boston Terrier Club of Canada. We hope to join the Pug Dog Club of Canada in the near future. I (Cassidy) used to be affiliated with a couple of Obedience clubs before getting into breeding. Please see our About Us page for more information about our experience.

  • How long have you owned your breeds?

    We got our first Boston in 2001 and we have been in the "dog world" long before that. We have been around, trained, shown, etc. for many years (including Pugs), but we imported our own Pugs (as adults) and had our first litter in 2018

  • How often do you breed your girls, how many litters do they have and when do you retire them?

    We do not like to breed our girls too early (age wise), nor do we want to start breeding them too late in their lives either, as it has been our experience that they have much more difficult labours, pregnancies and recoveries when they are older. It is not worth risking losing them on the operating table to breed them too late in life (i.e. many breeders prioritize show titles and this often takes a very long time to complete, thereby delaying breeding). We don't start breeding our girls before a year and a half old and we like our girls to retire at four to five years of age - sometimes younger if it is better for them. Since pretty near all Bostons and some Pugs require c-sections (and some Pugs), we generally breed these girls only once a year and only three times. However, this is not an absolute number and if they can only have one litter, they have one. If the Vet recommends a "back to back" breeding based on age, time in between litters, etc. we may do that as well. It all depends on the female and what our Veterinarian says about their suitability for breeding at that time. Every decision we make is based on the health status of our females and our Veterinarian's opinion as to whether our females should be bred or not and when. Again, this all depends on the females heat cycles, health, and previous pregnancies and deliveries. There are many different opinions as to whether females should be bred "back to back" or heats/breedings skipped. Indeed, many reproductive Vets suggest breeding back to back whenever possible, as they say that each heat a dog is not bred, adhesions/scar tissue is left and therefore the chances of future reproductive issues increases. Indeed, each time a dog has a heat and is not bred, there is a chance of life-threatening pyometra (pus in the womb) happening and an emergency spay to save her life. All things considered, at the end of the day, we do what's in the best interest of our girls. Our Vet also helps us to determine when they should be retired and indeed, more often than not, we retire our girls YEARS before they say we could/should (i.e. they're healthy enough to breed until much older).

  • How many litters do you have per year?

    We have approximately three to four litters a year, all breeds considered. We breed our dogs when they're ready (and physically able and healthy) and we do not "fill orders". It's often difficult to judge how many litters we will have as it depends on when the girls come into season (often they come in late and then all come in at the same time at a later date), their health status (i.e. body condition, ability to carry pups, recovery from a previous litter, etc.) and the clearance from our Veterinarian that a female can be bred.

  • How do you exercise your dogs?

    Our dogs get lots of regular indoor and outdoor play (in our fenced yards). Because our dogs are small companion breeds, their needs for exercise are moderate and can be met playing in the house and outside. Of course there are walks and handling/training classes as our schedule allows as well.

  • Where do your adult dogs live? Where are they kept?

    Our dogs live in our home and not in a kennel or barn. Our dogs play inside our home and outside during the day and have lots of outdoor time, house time and rest time. Our dogs are crate trained and housetrained and are crated when we're not home and at night. We also allow some of our Bostons to sleep with us.

  • How do you socialize your puppies?

    Home-raised puppies are a lot different than puppies raised in a kennel! Our puppies are raised in our sterile Maternity room (which is in our bedroom) and then at 3-3 ½ weeks old, they are moved to our dining or living room. Our puppies are well-socialized with kids, cats, other dogs and are well accustomed to household noises. They are given bones, chew toys and other toys for early stimulation (Fisher Price toys work great!). Our pups are raised in puppy pens and x-pens (not pens with closed sides or pens with grated bottoms!), so even while confined to the space of the puppy pen, they can still interact with the other dogs, our children, etc. When the puppies are large enough, they are taken out of their puppy pen for supervised play with our children and some of our other dogs. We start nail clipping at 2 weeks of age and in addition to regular handling and care, our dogs are “stacked” (stood and placed) regularly for pictures. We post pictures of our puppies' pen in our puppy parent's section of our site, so you can see where their puppies are kept.

  • Do you show your dogs?

    While the focus of our breeding program is on health and temperament, given that we're breeding to breed standard, yes, we show our dogs in CKC sanctioned events on ocassion. We hope to get to shows in the U.S. in the future and we're also hoping to get involved with Obedience again, as in the past. Since we prefer to show our dogs ourselves (rather than sending them to reside at a Handler's home to be shown) and due to the demands of family (and caring for the puppies/dogs of course!), we do not get out to the shows as much as we would like, but we get to the shows as often as humanly possible. Indeed, we have been very fortunate to have had dogs who have finished their Championships very quickly and have not needed to spend months or years showing a dog to get a Championship on him/her. We're also very fortunate to work with reputable breeders overseas, whom show our dogs (and their get) in their breed club shows, the World show and Crufts.

  • Do you give your dogs supplements?

    YES! In addition to home cooked foods (and fatty acid oils) in moderation, we supplement with NuVet. Nuvet is an amazing immune system builder! We believe in it so much that in addition to feeding it to our own dogs, in order to maintain our 12 month health guarantee, one must continue to feed it to their puppy/dog as well.

    Hundreds of thousands of dogs and cats are using NuVet to support their immunesystem and provide optimal health. A strong immune system will protect them from environmental and food toxins such as back yard pesticides, hormones, germs from public places, and even toxic formaldehyde in furniture and carpeting.This is not just a vitamin. It’s an immune system builder with a precise balance of vitamins, minerals, omega fatty acids, amino acids and high-potency antioxidants.That’s why it works so well through all three stages of a dog’s life.

     For puppies - Fills the immunity gap all puppies experience. Shortly afterbirth maternal antibody effectiveness is greatly reduced. By 8 weeks yourpuppy’s immune system is at a vulnerable point. Once in their new home, theimmune system is weakened by the stress of adoption and exposure to novelbacteria and viruses in their environment. This is also when the vaccineseries is started. Vaccines are most effective if the immune system canrespond properly. Starting NuVet Plus now is important to helping your puppygrow into a healthy adult.

     For dogs in their prime - Improves the luster of their skin and coat whileproviding the necessary antioxidants, amino acids, vitamins, mineral andmore to sustain their body’s peak performance during the prime of their lives

     For older dogs - Helps provide the nutritional requirements to help them livelong, happy, and productive lives in their senior years.

    NuVet is not available in stores, and is only available to the general public with an order code from an authorized pet professional. For your convenience, you may order directly from the manufacturer by calling 800-474-7044 and using Order Code: 81928. You can also save an additional 15% and assure you never run out of NuVet by choosing the “AutoShip” option at check out.

  • What do you feed your puppies and dogs?

    We feed our puppies and dogs TLC Pet food. It's in amazing food! We believe in it so much that in addition to feeding it to our own dogs, in order to maintain our 12 month health guarantee, one must continue to feed it to their puppy/dog as well. We also feed our adult dogs home cooked food in moderation. - Order from this link to receive $5 off your first order!

  • Are your dogs health tested?

    Yes, our dogs are extensively DNA tested for genetic disorders. Please see our dogs' individual pages.

  • Are your dogs Canadian Kennel Club Registered (CKC)?

    Yes! In some cases, our breeding stock is also AKC and/or FCI registered if imported. All of our puppies are CKC registered and our pet puppies are sold with Limited Registration.

  • Why are "snub nosed"/brachycephalic breeds more expensive than most other breeds?

    Why do they cost more than Labs, etc? The “Bully”, brachycephalic breeds cannot be compared to most other breeds, given that they are “man made” and can not propagate on their own without the help of humans. These smaller breeds usually have small litters of 1-3 puppies and most require costly c-sections to deliver (c-sections usually range in price between $1200 and $6000 (usually higher end) in most places in Ontario, depending on where you live (and if it's an emergency clinic).

  • What can I expect to pay for a Boston or Pug?

    Registered companion Boston Terrier and Pug puppies (from reputable breeders of Champion and health tested bloodlines) in Ontario, Canada are usually at least $3000 AND UP for PET puppies, depending on location (c-sections are much more expensive in some areas), sex (some breeders charge a different price for males and females), bloodlines and whether the breeder charges and pays taxes. Pugs are comparably priced, or a little less.

  • At what age are your puppies typically ready to go?

    Our puppies are typically ready to go at 8-9 weeks. IF they are small or not over 3 lbs by the time they are to be vaccinated, we will keep them back until they are over 3 lbs and a little larger. We do this to prevent vaccine reactions.

  • Will you be available to answer questions and offer advice?

    Absolutely! We offer lifetime support, in addition to a lifetime “welcome home” policy for our dogs. Indeed, our contract prohibits our dogs being relinquished to a shelter, rescue, etc. and MUST be returned to us!

  • How are prospective puppy parents and puppies matched?

    In an ideal world, it would be great if people could send their deposits in and pick out their puppies in person when the puppies are ready to go. Unfortunately, this never happens. Given that Bostons usually have small litters and individuals usually have a preference for either a male or female, choices of puppies are usually limited. Because Bostons are a breed bred for companionship, they all tend to be very even-tempered and adaptable to new environments, etc. Their main drive in life is to be with their families. Given the breed characteristics and temperament of the breed, choosing often falls to more superficial things such as size, markings, looks, etc. People usually have a pretty good idea as to which puppy they want and grow fond of a particular puppy through our correspondence with regards to regular pictures and/or videos and updates on development, personality, temperament, activity level, disposition, etc. IF at any point a puppy is not developing in such a way as to suggest that the prospective owner will not be happy with their choice, we will suggest another puppy and/or discuss this with the prospective owners. The mandatory application (and phone conversation) that must be completed prior to submitting a Puppy Deposit (and reserving a puppy) also helps us to determine suitability of not only the breed, but also for a particular puppy.

  • Can we come pick out our puppy in person just after the puppies are born?

    No. As previously mentioned and as per our Policies & Procedures page, we do not allow any visitors when we have un-vaccinated puppies, pregnant mothers and are breeding females and we do not allow people off the street to come in and handle the puppies (YOUR puppies!). We do not expect people to give us money “blindly” and feel that between the information and pictures on our website, our phone conversations and the pictures/video and the updates we post on our "Puppy Parent's Site" as the puppies develop, we more than compensate for this. In addition, $1200 of the total Puppy Deposit ($1500) is ​refundable (or one can put 100% toward a pup from another litter) if when people come to pick up their puppies they don't like us, our dogs, their puppy or our home. We feel that we're taking a chance on you (8 weeks of pictures, updates and time invested, etc.), just as much as you're taking a chance on us and our dogs. How would you feel if we had an “open door” policy and we allowed people to come in and handle your puppy and have to tell you (after 6 weeks of updates and pictures) that your puppy has died of Parvo, Pnemonia, Kennel Cough, etc? Not to mention, we void our own guarantee (as it applies to contagious diseases exhibited within the 10 day incubation period, leaving here). If one is uncomfortable reserving a puppy before physically seeing the mother, the father and the puppy, one is more than welcome to wait until the puppies have been vaccinated and are ready to go, to come see what pups we still have available (upon approval of one's application). Please be advised however that in the history of our breeding program, this has never happened!

  • Do your puppies receive Veterinary care prior to adoption?

    Yes, our puppies are seen and examined by a licensed Veterinarian, certified healthy, microchipped and vaccinated prior to going to their new homes. Our puppies are also de-wormed and sent home with a Revolution (for internal parasites, fleas, ticks, mites & heartworm) treatment.

  • What types of payment do you accept?

    For deposits and payments, we accept email money transfer, Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover and PayPal (there's a 3% service fee for credit cards). For final payment and pick up in person, we accept cash, debit/Interac, Google Pay, Apple Pay, Visa, MasterCard and American Express (sorry, there's a 3% service fee for credit card payments). We do not accept cheques/checks of any kind, for any reason. Sorry!

  • I am interested in a red and white/brown and white/fawn and white/lilac and white or blue and white Boston Terrier. Do you breed for these colours and do you ever get them?

    NO!!!! These colours are NOT acceptable breed colours according to the CKC! These colours are not within breed standard and dogs of these colours cannot be shown in conformation (dog shows) events. In order to register these puppies/dogs, a breeder must indicate that they are of an acceptable colour (when they are not, obviously) on their registration forms.

  • I am interested in either a Boston or a Pug. Are they essentially the same breed but just look different?

    No! Bostons and Pugs are TOTALLY different breeds. Besides being brachycephalic, having moderate needs for exercise, and being very dependent (they are both companion breeds) on human companionship, they are nothing alike - although they are very compatible breeds to live in the same home. While not working terriers, Bostons are “scrappier” and are often more mischievous than Pugs (or so we find). Bostons are generally more dominant than Pugs and they seem to have an "agenda" in any given situation, whereas a Pug doesn't. If a Boston is upset with you, they will let you know, whereas a Pug is more forgiving and happy to just be in your company. Bostons tend to be more sophisticated and Pugs are “sillier”. Pugs shed A LOT more than Bostons and have a completely different coat. They have a coat more like a Labrador Retriever.